well i'm sorry but in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture ten celebrations continue in the streets of tripoli as rebel forces seize could our fees compound today the well it's become a game of where's waldo or gadhafi in the middle east so how long will the ells to dictator be on the run and what's next for libya plus the days of ask your congressman seem to be gone. members of congress are spending their august vacation here's a hint they're avoiding their constituents. you

need to know this rebel forces are now declaring victory in tripoli saying their six month fight for the nation is over but dangers still lurks gunfire blanketed the streets of tripoli today as rebel forces tighten their grip on power in libya moammar gadhafi is military one of the last remaining strongholds of pro-government forces was overrun today and looted you know violent offenses get off him self is still no word of the file although his infamous has turned up. the next day and then when de who has kind of get out. only if heads how many do you go now and my. i mean think about how is it going to be one of the really pretty heart oh you just went inside yes the room where it's going to get out is there yeah you know that is

a bit of no no no it was it was really i was like oh my god i mean good reason. but then this. do you think had the i told this i would like low by good natured happy no i'm having just been. reporting live human as the brighter side of the revolution and while celebrations erupted in many parts of the city there is still an an ease among residents as groups of the forces roam the streets and nato bombings continue to stamp out the last pockets of get off he's our in tripoli and the early euphoria of rebel fighters as they enter the gates of tripoli has subsided as they recognize that their likely will be more bloodshed along this road to revolution so are we nearing the end game in libya and what will it look like and where the heck is more market off and joining me now for some answers is

a rising. senior fellow at the new america foundation reporter at the daily beast allies welcome thank you for having me thanks for joining us so people are celebrating in tripoli is the worst over or is it about to begin. who knows khadafi appeared on radio about fifteen minutes ago saying he was going to intimidate a fight aggression but where is he no one knows and in the question you know we've been kind of bringing this up all week but it bears i think repeating when egypt felt the institutions of civil society were there their you know the various departments of government were not just cronies of mubarak they were actual departments with bureaucrats who actually knew how to do their jobs and they stayed there even though most of them were affiliated with the military institutions of civil governance survived the revolution for lack of a better word in libya those institutions have been stunted for forty three years

it's basically been government by mafia what is there any indication at this point who's going to step into this massive power vacuum and what the nature of the group or the people will be who do so. ok here's what we know we know this transitional government has really said and really is likely to stand by the act they are purely transitional within thirty days they promise to hand over the country really to elections now some of the people who are parts of that transitional government oh ma bell is one who actually worked under the could up the regime reluctantly for many many years this is a guy who's quite well educated holds a couple of degrees from the university of pittsburgh and this is not a man looking to seize power and commit more atrocious human rights abuses so i think i'll go it's far too early to say that we're out of the woods i think in

terms of actual intent of the transitional government we do see that libya has a shot toward a more peaceful future just in the last twenty four hours thirteen hundred people have been killed in libya the actual number of deaths in this whole bombing campaign in the six month campaign i've seen numbers all over the chair of the my map you know or all of the charts. at the end of the day is a visit worth broadly speaking and b. is this is there any history of this being a particularly more or less effective way of bringing democracy to a nation than the basic bottom up of rising. well here's the thing well one thing that we've been smart about is not putting nato troops or us troops on the ground and so that means that the rebels as we'll call them loosely don't have to rise up now in some kind of parallel daftest kind of rebellion because

they're foreigners on their soil there's nothing to defend from outsiders really so that in itself gives us some peaceful hope was it worth it you know khadafi is a freakin lunatic and his son state who we thought was arrested has just appeared in the rixos hotel and is saying you know victory they're not giving up so is it worth getting a regime like that out of libya absolutely what is the u.s. role in terms of transitioning toward democracy that's a stickier question what is what effect is this going to have on the situation in syria with mr assad it's definitely bringing more pressure on on president assad without question and that really is syria is the next domino in this domino effect we've seen happening throughout the arab spring now saudi arabia. few months ago took a whole bunch of oil money and past my recollection is it was an average of about

ten thousand dollars per citizen to basically you know keep their society closed but also keep it stable is that strategy going to work for saudi arabia and for some of the other you know qatar the emirates some of these other. fairly hard fisted autocrats that have put the velvet glove you know will provide a social safety net over their iron fist. it's hard to know i you know i got off the phone from a friend who lives in jeddah about ten minutes ago and this sort of uprising is the farthest thing from her mind in a she's a housewife and mother of three she's looking to go back to work do i think that most of the people in saudi arabia right now are concerned with leadership in as in the same way they are saying. absolutely not i do think that the policies in the gulf states are going to be successful of course as long as the oil keeps flowing. and so it's it's going to be

a matter of who ends up with that oil and and how it plays out. well yeah i mean it's almost eerie in this kind of desire twist of history about eighteen months ago i was sitting with brill you know who's now the transitional prime minister talking about libya's future at the time he worked for this board of entrepreneurs under the get up a regime because essentially what cannot be spent trying to do for a while is as we know right by himself back into u.s. good graces and use his son saola son to do that why and this is a little bit freaky mahmoud jibril said illicitly could be doesn't want to end up in a hole like his friend saddam the same and now we have exactly like where is he most likely right now probably in the network of tunnels and really irrigation channels thousands of miles beneath aaa so that's almost eerie but the other thing mohammed you girls said to me is you know libya has more than a drop of oil we need

a government we need education and i do think from a man on the street there is much more of an awareness of what libya could be than say it and that is a member of a very well so allies of thanks so much for being with us tonight thanks for having me we're now in a wait and see mode with the road to libya not just our go to work after years but what the libyan people will do in his absence let's hope the mark recy wins the. lazy alert poor activism america's most notorious animal rights group peta may have just found the best new way to reach a wider audience they're starting their own porn site that's right the group whose ads have previously featured nude women posing in cages to protest wearing fur and women smart swallowing along vegetables to promote not eating meat is now going all the way and just doing straight porn in a conference call with the press pay to confirm that they are lindsay looking into

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a state controlled capitalism and school sections when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. how do you keep your job if your employer gives you only a fourteen percent approval rating. maybe you avoid him or her that's exactly what congress is up to during this august recess avoiding their constituents and the organization no labels is reporting sixty percent of the members of congress are not holding any sort of open town hall meetings or earlier occasions during the month of august a vacation that's supposed to be spent talking to constituents or some republican members like paul ryan and ben boyle are hosting closed corporate funded town halls that charge constituents as much as forty bucks a pop to its gun and ask a question that the vast majority of members aren't even doing that much and the

few that are are probably reading it like congressman steve shabbat of ohio who faced this from constituents at his town hall meeting. let. us sort of like the t.s.a. and police all over the country he later banned constituents are bringing in cameras to the town hall hoping to avoid embarrassing you tube moments like his other republican colleagues who felt the wrath of their constituents. yes. it's really really. really. sad that they were given this is a wealthy person put it that they were there and you know what. that's really

the good if. you want to take the public we have mr trowbridge since medicare and turn it over to a private corporation tell me how my career was going to benefit from it to keep sitting here. right. there. i guess american people aren't buying new of the republicans are selling but even for the roughly half of the members of congress who are not holding town halls about a limb here and guess that one hundred percent of them are hosting at least one fundraiser that's because to get reelected today you don't need to meet with your constituents but you must meet the deep pocketed corporate and wealthy campaign donors so what do the say that congress is collar worrying from angry voters just how badly wounded is our democracy is

a consequence of for more on this of joined by william a goss as zick silca chair and senior fellow in governance studies at the brookings institution and a former policy adviser to president bill clinton rocky good to be here where they have you with us are first of all this is bipartisan in fact it looks like the numbers of democrats were not holding to town hall meetings a slightly higher than that of a republican that's absolutely correct sixty something versus fifty and change. what in your mind is this a symptom of the largest sense will point and if i may how unique is this at this point in time versus say a decade or two or three ago well we're at a nearly unique moment in modern american history where trust in government is at an all time low or pretty close to it and so is the public regard expressed in public opinion surveys for the congress of the united states and this is true on

a bipartisan basis the approval rating for republicans in congress is rock bottom but it's not much better for democrats and the american people right now have a very simple sentiment which i can sum up as follows a plague on both your houses and so the vision of the people back home is on a bipartisan basis. the. to what extent do you think that that is the consequence. of it in fact let me back this up and put a frame around this question during the coolidge or during the harding coolidge and hoover administrations them on for was government business more business and government for verbatim quote from coolidge. people lost their faith in government in in the twenty's in the late twenty's and during the who were administrative f.d.r. basically brought that faith back and that held through the eyes in

a republican eisenhower administration they did many ways even during the nixon administration although they lost their faith in nixon but then ronald reagan came along and campaigned on government as the problem and for the first time since coolidge we had heard a president and basically a montreux the government was broken government was the problem and i haven't heard much pushback on that in the thirty years since that time to what extent is that responsible for this distrust of government versus actual policies that seem to be working or not worked. there has been and it be a logical sea change in american politics since the late one nine hundred seventy s. there's no doubt about it but at the same time if you look at trust in government since ronald reagan took office it is very closely correlated with conditions in the country and specifically economic so the economy stupid well it's not only the economy but that's a good place to start when president clinton took office in one nine hundred ninety two trust in government was down in the twenty's by late in the one nine hundred

ninety s. after six very good economic years trust had gone back up to the mid forty's now in the early and mid one nine hundred sixty s. when i was a kid trust in government was roughly seventy five percent and we haven't been back there in decades and we're not going to get back there any anyplace anytime soon but still objective conditions have a lot to do with this sentiment and right now the objective conditions in the country are terrible and everybody knows it. to what extent is is the fact that our elected officials are not holding town hall means that the are having to spend in some i've heard this from members of congress that they have to spend as much as half literally half their time dialing for dollars raising money just if they're going to get reelected to what extent is that a symptom that our democracy has been broken and probably the death blow with citizens united. well our democracies in tough shape there's no question about it

one of the big reasons for that is that the poll racial polarization between the two major political parties is at a level that we have not seen since the eighteen nineties that's not the nineteen ninety s. that's the eighteen ninety's and so the decline of civility the inability to compromise the preference for getting a logical point scoring at the expense of practical problem solving these are symptoms of a democratic disport or a democratic. dysfunction small d. and one of the big problems our country faces is that institutions and nations around the world are beginning to see us as dysfunctional what that means is that the things that they have depended on us for since the end of the second world war are now being called into question this is a really big problem for the united states and that it's not just a domestic problem or a crisis for democracy i don't think so absolutely thank you so much for being with

zod pleasure i've enjoyed it but mr nation is a simple way to make members of congress responsible to their voters again and it's by getting corporate money out of politics like most healthy democracies and figured out various ways to do money is to politics what cancer is to our bodies and with the time freed up from fundraising the members of congress can begin to listen to we the people the phrase that the constitution begins with and their constituents and in fact take it a step beyond that you know the constitution it says members of congress can't be arrested you know unless they commit treason or felonies then we could be basically there had there are no responsibilities there are no members of congress must do this laid out the constitution i'd like to propose one you know it's maybe idealistic but i'd like to propose a this comes out of the fact that john boehner the new rules are we work two weeks on one week off in four days a week by the way so there's plenty of time to be back in the district so how does

suggesting that you have to use at least half your vacation days which are about half a year old town hall meetings to talk to your constituents if you're going to hold public office now the fact of the matter is oh and by the way you can't privatized them you can't charge for them right paul ryan and ben quayle are doing you know forty bucks a pop if you want to ask a question and then basically town halls become fundraisers let's make them real town halls now the fact of the matter is that congress is not going to both this rule for themself they you know they haven't two hundred some odd years and they're not. so today but we can push for each one of us have most of the district of columbia have two senators and one member of the house of representatives there's three representatives in congress might be interesting to call them up and just say each one of them are you holding town hall nearby that i can visit you know if so where and if not why not us and just let them know that you'd like to be speaking with them and in fact you know senator bernie sanders of this program isn't just to

set up a town hall meeting rent the local auditorium in your high school the local high school for example or library usually get them for free get forty or fifty people to commit to show up and then tell your elected representative we've got a meeting waiting for you going to be there tell the media bring them in and make it happen. america's biggest transnational corporations have a secret they don't want you to know about it refusing to release just how many jobs they have created in the united states and how many jobs they've created over seeds over fears that if the american people saw just how much outsourcing they've been doing then they'd miss out on their tax breaks that corporations promise will help them create more jobs when it comes time to report hiring to government statisticians these transnationals do so under anonymity under the promise of the

promise that only the aggregate amount of job creation numbers will be released and not job creation on a company by company basis that aggregate number is troubling in and of itself for example between two thousand and two thousand and nine transactional corporations cut two point nine million jobs here at home and hired two point four million workers overseas and since lawmakers can't figure out which companies are actually creating jobs here in america and which ones aren't then it's impossible to determine who should get the tax cuts that are going to incentivize them to make matters worse the guy heading president obama's job creation council c.e.o. of general electric jeffrey immelt is one of the biggest jobs sorceror outsourcers around with over half of his workforce made up of foreign workers so why are we letting corporations get away with shipping more and more us jobs overseas i want policies especially in regard to so-called free trade need to be enacted to stop

the exodus of american jobs here offer her take on the issue is karen us from executive director of work in america karen welcome thank you great to have you with us what's going on here i thought the corporations were supposed to be. the there was this new frank let's throw you a job creators. you know there are they get a sweet deal i have to say they're getting tax breaks for creating jobs here in the united states while there is shipping the majority of jobs overseas all under a veil of secrecy so it's a pretty good deal they got money coming in every which way and we don't know what the what what's really going on behind it because they refused to disclose you know i one of the things that i found really interesting is that they refuse your refusal to disclose but let me back up just a little bit for our viewers who don't know. working america.

you're working america is just you know it's a great resource for people who would like to be in a union but can't or even are unemployed and they want to have access to these resources if l.c.a. or help put this thing together and work in america got to work it and this tremendous resource you have a job tracking database i spent about half an hour with this thing i say i can just play in with it and in fact we're going to we may be showing it on the screen right now yes we are a great and so you see this is an actual animation of making hoops making the framework and putting it in you put in a zip code and what comes out is the companies here is like ten companies that have been reported as exporting jobs you know what's going on how it's working and you even name the companies and how this is happening how did you put this database together and what kind of response you get to well working americans you say is the fastest growing organization for regular working people who don't have the benefit of a union on the job but got three million members and we talk to twenty thousand people

at their doorsteps every night and they most often talk about the way they feel the jobs crisis as being around outsourcing it's a really concrete way that they experience what someone fair and they know. oh the these corporations are reporting profits not investing in jobs in their communities and they suspect that they're going overseas so you can't find this information and we're still working america decided to go look for it ourselves we searched databases all over the place we had to match companies because none of the companies will use a single identifier when they have to report to the government and what we put together was information on four hundred thousand companies and whether they're sending jobs overseas or they're violating labor laws or occupational safety and health laws fair employment practices. and it's only touching the surface because

employers are not required to divulge most most of this information but it does mean that if you suspect that there are evil doers in your community on the corporate side you can go to job tracker at working america dot org slash job tracker and find out just what's happening in your community it's addictive i'll tell you but i put in my website first and there's like you know well there's ten companies right around me that are outsourcing that's right and then i put in a group at lansing michigan and so i put in you know my parents the deceased but i remember there's a code i put their zip code in the room you know it's. anyway. a lot of this is coming out of the fact that our lawmakers started drinking this so-called free trade cool laid back you know reagan was promoting herbert walker bush was pushing the big debate with ross perot you know ross perot got twenty percent of the vote just on this you know with the with the vice presidential candidate was like who are one of my litter and he still got twenty percent of the vote because

he was saying and this is nuts and i think most americans think so right and. you know at that time it was run fifty percent popularity and that was with a lot of hype from both bush and clinton where is so-called free trade at now i keep saying whatever party starts campaigning on get out of nafta get out of the b.t.o. is never ever going to lose an election again but i haven't seen stats out of what are you learning well we know from talking to people every night that they believe that jobs should be made built in their communities that if you've got government procurement for example governments buying uniforms or flags of uniforms in the flag should be made in this country that if we're going to be buying putting up windmills the windmill should be made in this country and that we can begin to create an industrial policy here where we're not subsidize. companies to go overseas which we are right now we're not allowing companies to just move jobs

almost one for one overseas under a veil of. secrecy you know we we need to there's knowledge is power and the american people want a little boy knowledge and a little more power and you guys are leading the way and people can join working america whether or not they have a union or even if they don't even have a job they can join working america organization for the for the rest of us there you go there and hey so much of a drop of blood and creating the problem here is that our lawmakers for almost two decades have been drinking these so-called free trade kool-aid and it's now destroying our economy and hit back at common sense economic policies that protect american industries and american workers from greedy transnational c e o's but there's an even bigger picture here and it has to do with the myth of the so-called job creator where did this phrase come from job creator i mean wide job creator this is a focused just get sees me just the whole concept of jobs as

a commodity has been focus grouped and this is what's come out of it we've turned a jobs into a commodity like like it's something that you know you can buy or sell or that exists. and it doesn't you know but but frank luntz then can tell republicans you know to call rich people job creator oh we don't start the job creators and they can say that government doesn't create jobs you know these are these are nonsense phrases because the reality is what we used to say is hire fire and layoff like he has in g.m. just hired thirty or fired thirty thousand people or the you know that that kind of thing and that and on it goes but the federal government frankly the federal government and thousand jobs this month are chain sell saw al dunlap just fired twenty thousand people for mitt romney's company fired americans and hired people overseas but now from now on the upside is it's all created joe.